Lead, Follow, Or Get Out Of The Way - Kids Ministry - Dedicated to helping Kids Ministry leaders in their mission of making disciples

Today’s guest is Sam Luce, Children’s Pastor at Redeemer Church in Utica, NY. This conversation is all about discipleship. Discipleship should not primarily be viewed through a programmatic lens. Discipleship is a process and journey of becoming more like Jesus. We must recognize that in order to be a discipler, we must first, be a disciple. Sam & Chuck unpack how this reality impacts how we lead kids and parents in our ministries.