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Today’s guest is Sam Luce, Children’s Pastor at Redeemer Church in Utica, NY. This conversation is all about discipleship. Discipleship should not primarily be viewed through a programmatic lens. Discipleship is a process and journey of becoming more like Jesus. We must recognize that in order to be a discipler, we must first, be a disciple. Sam & Chuck unpack how this reality impacts how we lead kids and parents in our ministries.